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Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2008.12.23 11:32:00 - [1] Good evening, As a small christmas surprise (unless you have been in the 'OS X' channel), I am announcing my project to get something like EVEMon written for the Mac OS. This is just an alpha release, and skill planning is _not_ currently available (But I am working on it), but I wanted to be able to show something for christmas. It's just a beginning unfortunatly, but I am working on it and it goes forward quite well. Pictures > http://ceres.doesntexist.org/ Binary > http://ceres.doesntexist.org/bin/ Source > http://ceres.doesntexist.org/src/ You can add API-Keys from the debug menu, but somehow copy/paste got messed up, so you have to right click and select paste. But if anything is unclear, just ask. It probably only works on Leopard unfortunatly, since it is written in Obj-C 2.0, and requires the garbage collector. Ps. It does "Phone home" to download the datadump, it is downloading 2 files, http://ceres.doesntexist.org/xml/Clones.xml and http://ceres.doesntexist.org/xml/Skills.xml. But I don't keep any statistics or anything, so if you try it please leave a message here with some ideas or thoughts, maybe ask for some feature to be implemented. Merry Christmas and a happy new year!
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2008.12.25 15:09:00 - [2] Wonderful, I didn't know you used a Mac either Srg Hedge. And I thanks Phronesiis, I'll start adding some more features and fixing some bugs soon. Known bugs. If you don't have an internet connection, the server status lists as 0 people. If you put your computer to sleep, updates stop. You can't paste in the API-menu thingy.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2008.12.26 23:25:00 - [3] Edited by: Aurora Morgan on 26/12/2008 23:29:18 Thanks, I'll try to have a new release up for grabs sometime soon. A lot of stuff to be done around now unfortunately. I have some more stuff working, including skill rank, attributes. Next thing will be to list what skills a character has. And count the amount of SP it has. Ps. I want a proper portrait...
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.01.04 00:14:00 - [4] Edited by: Aurora Morgan on 04/01/2009 00:14:42 I'll be home tomorrow, so I'll fix it then. Will publish a small update so it understands a new XML format too. Mainly so I can export data directly from Sequel Pro and not have to write lots of sed. (Ps. Maybe I shouldn't have payed my ISP, it tends to suck... but it's cheap and fast at least.)
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.01.04 21:54:00 - [5] A little later than expected, but both the hosting and a new version is ready. The only feature that shows is that it now takes at least 3 minutes on first startup (It will look like it has crashed / is unresponsive), that is due to it now recreates a large part of the datadump on your computer. That shouldn't be so slow in a real database, but since I am using the XML Core Data backend... well... it get's really slow. I'll probably change to the SQLite backend when all the data is in place and working. Binary > http://ceres.doesntexist.org/bin/ Source > http://ceres.doesntexist.org/src/ It downloads some additional xml, you can check the xml directory on the server to find what it downloads. You can also find the SQL that generated the xml files there.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.01.09 22:59:00 - [6] Thanks for all the support, and well... there will be a 0.0.3 soon. I just have to fix a small bug and I'll be done. r/small/huge/ It will fix the interface up a bit, and place some foundation for making the interface suck less.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.01.12 01:47:00 - [7] Edited by: Aurora Morgan on 12/01/2009 01:49:31 A new version is available (0.0.3) and it should be a lot snappier(tm). Also features larger portraits and Cmd-C works! (Code is a bit ugly in the loading classes, sorry.) http://Ceres.doesntexist.org/bin as usual! Ps. If someone adds a character too much or it just fails to load the data for one reason or another remove "~/Library/Application Support/Ceres/Ceres 0.0.3.sqlite3".
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.01.13 21:10:00 - [8] Originally by: Kaelik Working for me here, even through the system-wide proxy. Wonderful, I didn't know that. (One feature I never got working in EVEMon <3) Originally by: KaelikWould be nice to be able to deselect the spare slot toons.[/quote Yes, that is on my todo-list for the next version actually. I find it kind of annoying too.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.01.17 04:50:00 - [9] YANW! (Yet another new version) Good! 1. Almost a brand new interface. 2. You can remove characters that pollute the new goodness (Right click is a good tip). Bad! 1. The new interface looks almost as bad as the old one. 2. I haven't really tested this to my usual standards.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.01.17 16:33:00 - [10] That would really be lovely, icon design isn't something I have ever done. And any input/help on the interface would really be awesome. So if you want to help, you're more than welcome (and everyone else too.) Join osx-dev in game and maybe we can chat about some ideas.

Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.01.18 23:56:00 - [11] Ceres 0.0.5! Changelog: 1. Fixed the new Character View (Only opens one instance, doesn't leak memory anymore...) 2. Proper sorting of added Characters. Some other stuff that you won't notice unless you check the source.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.01.19 07:33:00 - [12] Originally by: Stick Cult Edited by: Stick Cult on 19/01/2009 00:50:29 I'm going to try 0.0.5 now, but on 0.0.4, it says I'm training the wrong skill. At the time I started it I was training a skill, then mid training I switched, but ceres still says I'm training the old one. Seems like it's just a simple thing of not refreshing itself, but I don't know obj-c... Are you sure you waited 15 minutes? (The API is only updated once every 15 minutes.) But I'll check it out and make sure I haven't broken it this evening. Originally by: Stick Cult edit: In fact, 0.0.5 crashes when I try and launch it. I think it started the the load it does when it first starts, but then it crashes and the dialog comes up saying it quit unexpectedly.. No idea why, but it sounds like the load failed to finish correctly. Can you try to remove all files in ~/Library/Application Support/Ceres/ ? I am going to look into the fragility of the loader.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.01.19 14:40:00 - [13] Originally by: Kewagi Guiscard You're now oficially my hero. Thanks so much for this! Thanks to you for trying it. Sorry, Stick Cult, I couldn't replicate the problem with skill training. Could you be more precise when it happened, did you by any chance start the program, go into sleep mode and then change skill? (Going into sleep mode kills the updating code for some reason.)
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.01.20 15:22:00 - [14] Originally by: Seventh Angel excellent start. Literally just installed it, and the first issues that come to mind are: 1. It adds all the characters on an account, that's just annoying. 2. Stick a link to the api key page on that Add API Key page, it's a pain to look it up (I actually ended up opening evemon just to find it lol). Does it alert you when a skill finishes? If it's possible to add skill finishing times to iCal (which in turn will sync with the iPhone ofc) then that's a route you might want to consider, it would allow you a lot of flexibility with how the alerts are treated (email, visual, audio, etc etc). Very much looking forward to future versions, keep up the great work! 1. Yes, that is a bit annoying yes. But you can remove the extra characters at least. (Will fix) 2. That is a great idea, I'll definatly look into it. Since that sounds awesome.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.01.21 15:01:00 - [15] Originally by: Nadoun Looks like a great start from the screenshots. I installed .5 and it hangs at 'loading data (0/5 files downloaded)' so I attempted to switch back to .4 and have the same results. No errors in either case and still seems responsive - however I left it sit for a significant amount of time, an hour or two, and it never budged. I also deleted the sqlite3 file to no avail. Perhaps I'll delve your code a bit and see where it's trying to look. That is odd, I'll try to look into what it can be too. But it should have timed out long before that. (30 secs iirc.)
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.01.23 22:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Nadoun Looks like a great start from the screenshots. I installed .5 and it hangs at 'loading data (0/5 files downloaded)' so I attempted to switch back to .4 and have the same results. No errors in either case and still seems responsive - however I left it sit for a significant amount of time, an hour or two, and it never budged. I also deleted the sqlite3 file to no avail. Perhaps I'll delve your code a bit and see where it's trying to look. That might not have crashed it, I tried it and it didn't fail gracefully. I'll try and look into that too.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.01.25 12:09:00 - [17] Edited by: Aurora Morgan on 25/01/2009 12:11:43 Only thing I can think of is that you're running Tiger (I haven't found a way to make it fail gracefully yet.) If that is not the case, could you send the entries from the console log? They might include something useful. And if you have XCode installed (as implied), then you could try to compile the latest version yourself, that might give some more information. Mental note to self: Ship with debug symbols so these errors include some more information.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.01.25 19:45:00 - [18] Originally by: Willhelm VI Oh bonkers. Seems like the whiskey haze of late yesterday night made me try to compile Test instead of Ceres. Now, once I figured that one out, it all seems to work splendidly. Sorry for the inconvenience. Now I'll try to fiddle some with the code. Need to learn this Xcode thing anyway. Cheers! Wonderful, I'll fix a svn or something soon if anyone wants to help.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.01.27 12:55:00 - [19] Originally by: Tucould This is really awesome, thanks for tackling this project! I really like the iCal integration suggestion, though it's probably a bit too early to inundate you with feature requests. :) I have absolutely zero coding knowledge, but if there's anything I can do to help out, just give me a shout. Almost everyone can do what is probably the most important part, testing. Or maybe the other important (but for me a lot harder) thing, having good/bad/awesome/sucky ideas. Anything goes, it just might take a while for it to get implemented, but I promise to read and reflect on any idea. If anyone manages to crash it in any way, then it would be awesome if you could send me the relevant files in ~/Library/Logs/CrashReporter (Anything with Ceres in it's name) and if you know a way to reproduce it, that would help a lot too.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.01.27 14:35:00 - [20] Forgive me for double posting yet again, but I have a git repository with the newest test-test release at github. Repository

Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.01.28 01:17:00 - [21] 0.0.6, 6 might not be a prime... but it's the number of the new version! Growl support! Calculates skillpoints, quite accurately too. (More accurate than EVE at least, which is good enough for now.) Requires leopard (Now gives a cryptic message instead of just a core dump, I think...) Sends events for various reasons, doesn't really affect anything visible, but I wanted to add it to the list. And I lost the list of other things, but it is probably a bit better in several ways... As always http://Ceres.doesntexist.org/bin
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.01.29 15:41:00 - [22] Edited by: Aurora Morgan on 29/01/2009 15:43:08 Originally by: KW Mech Looking good! Mine stayed on an old skill when I changed the skill part way through, as well. Deleting the files in the Ceres library also forced me to reinstall my API info ( a bit of a PITA ). Keep up the good work though. Wonderful, I'll check into why the skill change mechanics works for me but not for some others. (It takes around 15 minutes to change, due to CCP:s cache timer) About the database, yes. If you remove it, then all the API info is gone (via design, since it keeps all data focused, and allows a quick reset if something goes wrong.) But you shouldn't have to touch it unless there is a bug that corrupts the data really, but we'll have to wait a bit before I say Ceres is free from those. Edit: If someone can't generate a database for any reason, but want to test anyhow. Download a pre-generated database from http://Ceres.doesntexist.org/db and drop it in ~/Library/Application Support/Ceres
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.01.29 22:15:00 - [23] Edited by: Aurora Morgan on 29/01/2009 22:17:28 Originally by: Rhohm Edited by: Rhohm on 29/01/2009 15:56:34 Nice one :D Useful to me already. Thanks, that's really nice to hear. And I hope it will be even more useful. Originally by: Rhohm One feature I would suggest though - When you double click on a character on the list it brings up the 'more info' window. A very good idea, and it is on my todo list (http://ceres.doesntexist.org/other/todo.txt , might not get updated very often, but I will try to keep it reasonably up to date.) Originally by: Rhohm By the way, if you wanted a quick bit of website design for ceres.doesntexist.org just let me know :) I would be happy to help :) ~ Rhohm Talk to me in game about it, I tend to idle in "os x" or just convo me.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.01.31 16:21:00 - [24] 0.0.7! It has several new features, including: Fixed (a few) bugs. Learning skills now counts for attributes. Sparkle auto-updater. (I hope it works too...) Double click on a character now opens the info window. The API window opens on load (if there are no characters). http://Ceres.doesntexist.org/bin
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.01 02:12:00 - [25] Edited by: Aurora Morgan on 01/02/2009 02:13:42 Originally by: Icarus Flame I downloaded 0.0.7, and tried opening the app, but it took like ten minutes at the progress bar without showing progress (the quickly scrolling blue spiral thingy) before I gave up and quit the app. Is there something else I need to do with the files before I can open it? No, you shouldn't. But it sounds like Ceres for some reason can't connect to download the datafiles. One other person had the same problem, but I don't really know how to fix it yet. I will try to think about it, since it sounds like a bug... You don't happen to use a firewall like little snitch or anything similar by any chance?
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.01 12:43:00 - [26] Originally by: Norwood Franskly Edited by: Norwood Franskly on 01/02/2009 05:58:35 2009-02-01 16:55:19.732 Ceres[400:4503] Starting load of url > http://Ceres.doesntexist.org/xml/0.0.2/Categories.xml Is where mine freezes on loading, possibly an issue with your server. edit: is it possible to ship a binary with the xml files included. Otherwise can you use a more robust protocol to fetch the files (wget maybe?). Ok, that's where I guessed. It probably won't work (Since you still need to connect to the CCP servers, and that uses the same code), but you can download a database from http://Ceres.doesntexist.org/db and put it in ~/Library/Application Support/Ceres About wget, that won't be any difference (and wget isn't included in OS X, but the same argument works for curl). Both use http, the difference is that NSURLConnection (the method I use) respects OS X settings for proxies and also allows for more control, and has an Objective C API.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.02 11:50:00 - [27] Yes, it's quite odd that they removed wget (even though I prefer curl. But it's not like it's eating up much space or anything.) I come from a unix/linux background myself and tend to have a few scripts lying around doing these kinds of things. The callstack implies that it can't find the version of the database ([Ceres version] is only one line, so the full dump shouldn't be necissary), which I guess means that the database isn't portable between computers (I have no idea why, really, a design decision of Apple's?). I really appreciate you testing this, because I was thinking of distributing the database with the application to remove the necessity of downloading all the xml files. The sqlite database includes a bit of binary metadata (in the table Z_Metadata) and I guess that is the cause of this problem. I am going to look through the downloading code this afternoon, because something must be mildly odd with it...
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.02 15:08:00 - [28] Odd, Well, I did a chown/chgrp -R on all the server files, could you try again, please?
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.04 16:20:00 - [29] Originally by: KW Mech I'm kind of surprised that this thread hasn't been stickied yet. Thanks! But it tends to be quite high all the time anyhow, this isn't a very high volume forum. 0.0.8 Ibridi's awesome XML-generation script. Updated all the models and fixed the loading of the new XML. Make the loader event based (A bit at least) Added implants, shows up for stats. But no list yet. Migration from one database version to the next (Experimental: Rename your database from Ceres 0.0.7.sqlite3 to Ceres.sqlite3). Ps. 4th most popular thread now. As always http://Ceres.doesntexist.org/bin or just use the auto updater.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.04 20:39:00 - [30] Originally by: Sazuka Kirr P.S. feel free to send me the 5 mil ISK fee for this post whenever you're ready, Aurora ... I multiplied the ISK count by the square root of -1 since you're so awesome. Btw. I had a power surge for some reason, but the download server is starting up again.

Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.04 23:37:00 - [31] Edited by: Aurora Morgan on 04/02/2009 23:37:26 Originally by: Throrur I really like it so far. I would love to have an iPhone version. Since you are already in Xcode and Obj C, would be nice to see it. Thanks for testing, if you have any bugs. Please post here or talk to me in game. About the iPhone port, sorry, But the problem is that iPhone doesn't support neither Core Data nor Garbage Collection right now. So unfortunatly would porting it would be about as hard as writing something from scratch. But when Apple ports Core Data and updates the ObjC runtime on the iPhone, then it would just be the case of writing a new UI.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.05 06:40:00 - [32] Originally by: KW Mech The autoupdater failed to install 0.0.8.4 It encountered and error when trying to install it, but I managed to download it manually ok, so all is well. Any error message? Could you check the Console? (/Applications/Utilities/Console/.) Any related messages would be marked with Ceres and "Sparkle".
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.05 18:19:00 - [33] Originally by: KW Mech This was all I could find: 04/02/09 5:16:40 PM Ceres[429] Ceres.server.playerCountUpdated Sent 04/02/09 5:17:41 PM Ceres[429] Sparkle Error: An error occurred while installing the update. Please try again later. 04/02/09 5:17:41 PM Ceres[429] Sparkle Error (continued): Couldn't find an appropriate update in the downloaded package. 04/02/09 5:18:36 PM Ceres[429] Sparkle Error: An error occurred while installing the update. Please try again later. 04/02/09 5:18:36 PM Ceres[429] Sparkle Error (continued): Couldn't find an appropriate update in the downloaded package. 04/02/09 5:21:09 PM Ceres[442] Application version: 0.0.8 Database version: (null) Hope that helps. Oh, that's exactly what I wanted. But I don't know what caused the error, might have been a problem with the webserver. There was some power failures yesterday, and the timing might have been perfect. I need to get a UPS...
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.06 06:31:00 - [34] Originally by: Throrur I wouldn't hold my breath for CoreData to be ported to the iPhone. Nope, I wouldn't hold my breath either, but it's definatly a possibility considering it's "the" persistence framework on OS X and there are no real technical problems doing it. The garbage collector might be tougher actually, since there would be memory usage implications.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.07 01:38:00 - [35] Originally by: Abulurd Boniface Edited by: Abulurd Boniface on 06/02/2009 19:58:33 I tried one of the first iterations and it scared me. Really. I'm coming back to it in the 0.0.8.4 iteration [although I should know FAR better than to test pre-alfa software]. It's shaping up nicely. I like the idea, I look forward to seeing how this develops. Thank you for your efforts, they are -greatly- appreciated. I really appreciate you testing it, and the kind words. If you find any problems or have any suggestions (that are not on the list already). Then please send me a message.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.07 12:30:00 - [36] Originally by: Daedale Hi Aurora ! I just tested the 0.0.8.4 release, it works really fine for me. You're doing an amazing job here, thanks a lot! One suggestion though: the skill list under the character pannel is really nice, but it would gain in clarity if the skills were organized by sections (Corp management, Drones, and so on), with the option to deploy/hide a whole section in one click. Keep up the good work, the whole mac community is behind you! Daedale I wonder how I could forget that one, I'll fix that soon(tm). I'll add it to the list, just don't really know how to fix it right now. Thanks for the support, and if you have any more ideas please post them. Any feedback is good feedback.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.07 18:40:00 - [37] Edited by: Aurora Morgan on 07/02/2009 18:40:39 Originally by: Hun Appa Just installed 0.0.8.4 this looks good! Wonderful, thanks. But 0.0.9 which is available should be even better. ;) This is mainly a bug fix/performance release, but it shows SP/hour and you can now close windows with command - w. It's available at the site or from the autoupdater.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.08 02:26:00 - [38] Originally by: KW Mech 0.0.9 is working perfectly so far, Aurora. Upgrade went smoothly. Great job, as usual!! Thanks for the support KW, I really appreciate it. Btw, there is a race condition in the loader. So if anyone has problems with it, can they please leave a message here. I don't think it will be triggered... but you never know.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.08 02:58:00 - [39] Originally by: Keldeena I had 0.0.6 installed then upgraded to 0.0.9 today. I used app-zapper to remove the 0.0.6 installation first, and it removed the app, also application suppurt\ceres. After running 0.0.9, I import my charachters, but every time I quit, it loses the information and I have to re-enter my API key again every time I launch the application. It's also not updating my currently training skill or my skills list. Is there something in another place that I need to remove? Oh, right. My previous post was wrong then, the bug does happen. I'll push out a new version now.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.08 03:11:00 - [40] Edited by: Aurora Morgan on 08/02/2009 03:11:08 Originally by: Keldeena Not sure if this one is a feature or a bug. When removing a character from the main list, with that characters window open, all it does is remove the number of "SP" from the character window. Should it close the window as the character is no longer listed? I guess it's a bug, the current behaviour doesn't make sense at least... Could you try updating to the new version (Using the menu item, Check for updates.)

Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.08 03:13:00 - [41] Originally by: Keldeena Looks like you replied to my previous post before I edited it, so I'll paste the edit in here too: Also, should the API window close once the characters have been successfully added? Currently it just sits open and there's no "close" button (except for the red window one). Another thing, if I hit "add" again with the same API key, it just adds the same 3 characters again. Perhaps a check on existing characters to stop duplicates? The not closing is a feature (or at least I think so), since it helps when adding more than one account. Duplicate checking is a good thing to add, yes.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.08 03:15:00 - [42] Edited by: Aurora Morgan on 08/02/2009 03:17:13 Originally by: Keldeena New version displays correct skill currently training and also the list of skills in the charachter sheet! Thanks! No problem, if you find any more bugs/features, please leave a message. It's always good to have stuff to do. Originally by: Kaldeena In the character sheet, under the currently training skilly display, it's got the date and time of completion, then it's got this on the next line: "(null) (Stores SP)" Should that be there? Err, no... or it shouldn't show up as (null) but the type of clone you have and how much SP it stores.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.08 03:23:00 - [43] Originally by: Keldeena Feature requests/dreams: 1. Double-clicking on a skill in the character sheet pops up a new window that displays that skill info. 3. (not sure if this one is possible - I guess it depends on the structure of the item/skill database(s) - not an urgent one anyway) Right-clicking on a skill in the character sheet/Skill browser presents a menu option "Show items this skill affects" 4. Another 2 right-click menu items for skills: Show pre-requisites for this skill. Show skills that this skill enables. They are all very possible, will take a while to get there probably though. Around the same time skill planning is implemented.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.08 03:31:00 - [44] Originally by: Keldeena Originally by: Aurora Morgan Err, no... or it shouldn't show up as (null) but the type of clone you have and how much SP it stores. I definately have a clone, but it's not showing up there. Also, a skill summary at the top of the character page would be nice. Something like: 125 known skills 48 Skills at level 5 Could you try to right click on your character, and select invalidate cache? Or if that doesn't work, delete the database. It might have been corrupted by the buggy version.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.09 14:32:00 - [45] 0.0.9.2 is out, This time the loading of data should work, and I mean that I can't find any problems. Honestly, it works... Oh, well.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.11 21:33:00 - [46] Originally by: Keldeena Edited by: Keldeena on 11/02/2009 11:43:21 Edit Never mind. .9.2 looks good! Keep up the great work! Wonderful, Some of your suggestions have been implemented for the next version too.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.12 18:46:00 - [47] Edited by: Aurora Morgan on 12/02/2009 18:56:00 Edited by: Aurora Morgan on 12/02/2009 18:47:12 For all of you that have been awaiting the arrival of the much foretold two-digit version, here it comes... 0.0.10! It includes a host of awesome features including: Fixed the SP/hour problem. You can no longer add duplicate characters. Nicer Portraits (Notice the rounded edges). Shows amount of known skill, and the number on level 5. Grouping of skills in the list. Some more probably, but I am too lazy to look at the commit logs. http://Ceres.doesntexist.org/bin Edit: More views than the "OS X" channel (Which is awesome btw.)
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.13 07:07:00 - [48] Originally by: Katsura Kotonoha Working great and I'm impressed with your progress. Thanks for the support, I hope there will be some additional progress this weekend, we'll see how much other stuff that needs to be done.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.15 14:06:00 - [49] Originally by: Keldeena Had to delete the database again to refresh changes properly with the last update. But it's looking good. Thanks for the X skills trained and N at Level V. Can we get sub-totals on the groups in the character sheet? eg: Drones - 11 skills - 1,254,332 Skill points Quite possibly, yes. That wouldn't be a problem I think.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.15 16:48:00 - [50] Originally by: Remus Navillum This is getting better every day! Keep up the great work. Just a matter of time before you start adding skill planner type stuff, eh? Time, yes. While it's probably an illusion (Especially lunch time), it seems to be a necessary component in software development unfortunatly. But I am working on it, might take a while before it is ready though.

Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.15 23:47:00 - [51] Originally by: Daedale This first two-digits release is great! Thanks a lot for the skill grouping... Thanks. Originally by: Daedale Now what I'd like to see (if not to much trouble) is the time remaining before the current skill is complete ("8 min 45 sec" or "12 days 4 hours 23 min" for example)... Preferably written near the character names on the main screen, and big enough to be seen rapidly... The end date is an important information, but I find the remaining time more useful, especially for short skills! I am adding an option for it (replacing the completion date) in the next release, probably as default. Originally by: Daedale Anyway, keep up the good work, your progresses are astonishing... And by the way, are you planning something to deal with the skill queue coming soon? No idea actually, anyone knows if this is going to have any implications for the api? It might just appear as if the player swapped the skill manually... Those who live on march 10th will see I guess... I plan to have an apochribba (can anyone remember how it's spelled, honestly..?) release ready as soon as there is a datadump.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.16 14:09:00 - [52] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Remus Navillum Originally by: Aurora Morgan I plan to have an apochribba (can anyone remember how it's spelled, honestly..?) release ready as soon as there is a datadump. "Apocrypha." God help us all if the release is Chribba-themed. We'll all be mining veld in dreads. Themed? No way Linkage Hm... I was right then... odd, I tend to spell bad. ;) So does Apochribba add some mining related bonuses on the revelation..? Hm... but does it really matter in the end, everybody loves the Veldnought. Bonus or no bonus. All hail the Veldnought! Ps. Kladdkakan var vSldigt god.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.17 13:09:00 - [53] Edited by: Aurora Morgan on 17/02/2009 13:09:58 Sorry to bring the thread on topic again, but 0.0.11 just got released. New awesome features include. Fixed a bug causing multiple notifications for skill training completed. Shows rank in skill list. Loader now uses (Processors + 1) threads instead of 2. Now sure all core data calls are from the main thread. Fix bug when training the same skill twice in a row. Group cells in the skill list now shows skillpoints and amount of skills. Fixed some skill level issues. Preferences Window. Skill training format option (Absolute / Relative). Skill level format option (Roman / Arabic). Character window closes if the character is removed. Removed old API-key window. Available from http://Ceres.doesntexist.org/bin or from the auto updater. Ps. I compensated the faster loader with loading a _lot_ more stuff... <3
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.18 00:08:00 - [54] Originally by: Daedale Works fine here. By the way, thanks for the auto-updater, it makes Ceres really easier to use. I have to agree that it's quite nice ;) Originally by: Daedale Just because I love making suggestions (and because you're really reactive ), could it be possible to graphically display the level the skills are currently trained, with 5 bars more or less filled, just as it is in the in-game skill sheet? Possibly, am going to think about it a bit. Originally by: Keldeena Thanks for the update! Looking great. Can anyone with elite design skills make an awesome eve-related icon for this app? I feel sad every time I have to launch it with that default icon :( Well... I would support it if someone did. /me pokes random person with elite icon skills.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.18 12:54:00 - [55] If someone was running Ceres this morning during down time, you might have noticed that it doesn't really show anything useful anymore. Remove the bugged characters and re-add them. OR You either need to restore your database (Remove the Ceres.sqlite3 in ~/Library/Application Support/Ceres, and optionally rename one of the old databases to Ceres.sqlite3) Sorry, I think I have fixed it now.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.18 14:34:00 - [56] Originally by: Nerrollus I'm still kind of new to Mac, so I'm not really sure what version you mean when you say Leopard. I have v10.4.11 OSX. Is that too old to run it? When I try and run Ceres it says it's missing a program to run it, so I'm assuming yes but just wanted to make sure because I really need something like EVEMon and EFT for my laptop. Yes, unfortunatly it only supports Leopard (10.5.x).
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.18 23:58:00 - [57] Originally by: Daedale I've thought of drawing a little icon for your application, but unfortunately I'm far from having the required skills. Anyway I could always try to do a little something, just tell me what do you need (just a picture of a fixed size, or something more elaborate ? And in png? gif? something else?) No idea really, but I think it's a 512px. square png that is required. http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/ObjCTutorial/08Configuring/chapter_8_section_5.html And thanks for all the kind words.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.20 10:06:00 - [58] Originally by: KW Mech I was curious......Is the Ceres application named after the moon or the Roman goddess? This may have a bearing on peoples ideas for an icon. Actually the Goddess, but the planet might fit the theme of EVE quite well I think. But any idea is a good idea... (Except the really really bad ones... no pink puppies, please...) The current pen and paper icon might show what the program replaces for me, but it honestly does quite suck.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.21 13:35:00 - [59] Originally by: Richard McDuff Originally by: Aurora Morgan Originally by: Daedale I've thought of drawing a little icon for your application, but unfortunately I'm far from having the required skills. Anyway I could always try to do a little something, just tell me what do you need (just a picture of a fixed size, or something more elaborate ? And in png? gif? something else?) No idea really, but I think it's a 512px. square png that is required. http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/ObjCTutorial/08Configuring/chapter_8_section_5.html And thanks for all the kind words. It is 512x512 px indeed. There is a little app called img2icns. It converts any image in an macosx icns resource. Don't have the link right now, sorry. Icon Composer seems to work, it's included with the dev tools on the Mac OS DVD. (/Developer/Applications/Utilites/Icon Composer)
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.23 13:39:00 - [60] 0.0.12! Autosave window positions. Changes to the skill list. Status bar option (Thank Ibridi for that one.) Improved drawing performance. Doesn't fill the database with bogus if the api-servers are down. Show cache timers in right-click menu. Reordering of Characters.

Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.24 06:48:00 - [61] Edited by: Aurora Morgan on 24/02/2009 06:55:53 Edited by: Aurora Morgan on 24/02/2009 06:49:33 Originally by: Sazuka Kirr Aurora: just noticed a bug in the the 'Skills' area. It isn't adding the total number of skillpoints for each set of skills correctly, e.g. in Trade, I have Contracting III, i.e. 8,000 SP. Ceres shows the number of SP for Contracting III as correct, but then shows the total SP I have for Trade as 107,606 SP. Wait ... now it says 107,640. It seems to be spreading my total SP over the section totals incorrectly ... Oh, right... will have to fix that one. I probably add the "extra sp" from the skill currently in training to all groups. Edit: = instead of == :( Edit 2: I'll bunch up some fixes and then release a new version. The character view requires some additional love.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.24 12:02:00 - [62] Originally by: Keldeena Can we get an option to use tabs instead of multiple windows? So if the option is enabled, double-clicking a character name in the main window the first time would open a new window, and double-clicking another name would open a new tab in the existing window. I was going to say no, but I took a shower and had an epiphany and realized that something looking like the preferences window might be nice. But for all of you who don't like it, don't worry, it will be an option.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.25 12:06:00 - [63] Originally by: Hamwicho Edited by: Hamwicho on 25/02/2009 03:27:38 Testing 0.0.11 and now 0.0.12. First off, great job, the app works smoothly so far. I have a few comments from a user perspective since I gather you are looking for input during the beta. The (auto) update from 11 to 12 went without a hitch. This is just a laundry list of ideas, I know you don't get paid for this, and its great so far. Higher priority on top: - Icon - Add version number to About page (also include your name and links to any website) - Add paypal donation link to Ceres menu (it never is much but hey, it doesn't hurt) - ~~Save the char window location on close. i.e. x,y placement~~ - done in 12 - Increase indention of Skills under each category - Double click on skill category name/row expands/contracts category - Hover or (left)click on skill displays skill description - Highlight partially trained skills - Follow game standard and include five boxes depending on level trained (full, blinking or empty) - Hover or (right)click on a skill shows amount of time to complete next level (if available) - Option to include trainable skills (but not owned) in list - Clone Grade highlights in red if < Total SP - A mention somewhere of what has been changed in each update (annoying I know but good for testing) Just thought about what you currently had, will save the thoughts on Skill Planning etc for the future. Thanks for all the hard work. Edit: one already done! Many good points, I think. - Icon Yes, the standard one looks quite... off. - Add version number to About page (also include your name and links to any website) Yes, fix the about page. I'll add one to the next version- - Add paypal donation link to Ceres menu (it never is much but hey, it doesn't hurt) No thanks, please donate me some ISK instead. It's just... well... easier (and tax reasons). - Increase indention of Skills under each category Yes I don't really know how much though. I am also thinking of adding the same icons EVE uses too, like a yellow book for a 0-IV level skill, the brown one for a level V skill and the multi-book one for the skillgroups. Would that be good? - Double click on skill category name/row expands/contracts category Sure, I should have fixed that one from the beginning. - Hover or (left)click on skill displays skill description Not the next version, need to calculate prerequisites and some other things first. - Highlight partially trained skills Yes, that is probably going to be in the next version. Would an orange gradient look good? - Follow game standard and include five boxes depending on level trained (full, blinking or empty) Yes, I think so too. Just need to think about how I should draw it for it should look good. - Hover or (right)click on a skill shows amount of time to complete next level (if available) Yes, maybe to all levels? - Option to include trainable skills (but not owned) in list After I calculate prerequisites. - Clone Grade highlights in red if < Total SP Right, should be easy I'll make sure to add that one. - A mention somewhere of what has been changed in each update (annoying I know but good for testing) There is one, most changes are published here: http://wiki.github.com/JensNockert/ceres/todo-list (Some of the smaller changes are only available in the git log, but those tend to not be important (Quite often misspellings, fixing small bugs that I introduced but where not in the previous version etc.) It also includes a todo list for the next version.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.25 12:09:00 - [64] Sorry for double posting, but I ran out of characters... Originally by: Hamwicho OK, I really don't have any graphic skillz beyond some image hacking, but I wanted to start off the icon development. - This still needs a lot of work, like smoothing it out, rounded edges, making it look professional and adding the shiny mac look to it - Uses EVE Alpha Font - Image is of Ceres (dwarf planet) Wiki page Hopefully someone with better graphic skills can assist. I would prefer something without text, but maybe a stylized planet?
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.25 20:03:00 - [65] When you update the program, the changes html for that version is shown. But I'll fix the about window next probably, it shouldn't involve much mental challenge ;)
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.25 22:28:00 - [66] Originally by: Solana Dal'Annae Quote: Highlight partially trained skills Make that an option you can turn off like you can ingame please. :) Of course, I prefer not having the highlights. So don't worry.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.02.26 19:38:00 - [67] Originally by: Hamwicho One other suggestion. When the app starts, it freezes while it queries the server load and downloads the activity. Is it possible to show the usual mac loading icon and have the query process in the background? Somethings it waits a good 30sec and then there is a rash of click catchup. Yes, managed to break that in version x. Btw, Good work on the icons.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.03.03 00:19:00 - [68] Edited by: Aurora Morgan on 03/03/2009 00:27:43 No, there is no real reason why it's not an universal binary. I just turned it off at one time to boost the compilation performance, I'll fix it soon. I think I published a tarball with the latest code, just add the ppc architecture to the options. Otherwise there is a slightly untested version at http://github.com/JensNockert/ceres/tree/master Thanks for reminding me to fix that. Edit: Added git url.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.03.04 17:50:00 - [69] Edited by: Aurora Morgan on 04/03/2009 17:50:22 Originally by: Rottenator Just to let you know: Ceres 0.0.13 Pre-Alpha is still only an intel app. Pre-Alpha 2 should be universal though. (We tested it on a G4.) But beware that if you use it, you won't get an autoupdate to the 0.0.13 when I release it.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.03.04 18:59:00 - [70] 0.0.13 Released, will add changelog after dinner.

Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.03.04 20:50:00 - [71] Originally by: KW Mech Looking very nice!! Thanks, Change log for 0.0.13 Sticky main window. Fix calculating sp. About window. A tabbing character view. Double click group cells to expand. Highlight partially trained skills. Highlight bad clone. Universal Binary. Fixed IO lag. Kill the loader once and for all. Image in skill cells.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.03.04 22:22:00 - [72] Edited by: Aurora Morgan on 04/03/2009 22:22:31 Originally by: Solana Dal'Annae 0.0.13 is mislabled as 0.0.12 and wants to patch itself again. :P Doh, lots of stuff to remember :( It should highlight if you just trained one extra sp, I don't really know how it works in game.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.03.05 16:14:00 - [73] Originally by: Rottenator Thanks for making it a universal bin. No problem, just changed it aeons ago and forgot to change it back. Originally by: Rottenator Two bugs: 1. I have 2 new chars (<900k sp) which have approx. -2M SP for some reason. 2. If you have the character window open and do "View>Show Server status" it toggles the tabs. Probably no check for which is the active window. Could I please have some more information about number one, please? I'll fix number 2 soon(tm) Originally by: Rottenator 1 feature: 1. Please make the drop-down menus in the preferences readonly, looks much nicer. Don't think I understand. No point to have preferences you can't change, right?
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.03.05 19:13:00 - [74] 0.0.13.1 is available. Fixes some minor bugs (about changing between tabbed/window mode, the highlighting and I _THINK_ I fixed the skills disappearing bug.) Added images for the skill groups, please send tips on other images if you find any better ones. I just quickly looked through the image dump.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.03.07 16:00:00 - [75] Originally by: Solana Dal'Annae Edited by: Solana Dal''Annae on 06/03/2009 16:58:31 Originally by: Aurora Morgan Don't think I understand. No point to have preferences you can't change, right? He means you can do this: http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pref.png :) Ok, can fix that I guess. Originally by: Solana Dal'Annae Edit: Something I would like to see is to have a selectable character window open when you open Ceres. Also, the initial character selection window is a bit redundant if you use the tabbed mode, so a way to start with it hidden might be useful (with a way to bring it back if you close it, as I can't seem to find one now). Save which windows were open the last time? Does that sound like a good compromise? Originally by: Solana Dal'Annae Finally, maybe use some form of indicator on character tabs showing which one is training? Not necessarily showing what they are training, just that they are. An idea anyway, I can see that addressed in multiple ways. Might add that, but probably not really soon. Originally by: Solana Dal'Annae Oh, and a bug I noticed. If you are using the Tabbed setting, and have the detailed character window active; the "Show Server Status" option is enabled and makes the tab part of the window slide in and out when you click it. Nifty feature, but I don't think it's intended to happen if you pick that particular option from the dropdown menu. :) Yes, will fix/rename/do something.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.03.07 16:03:00 - [76] Originally by: Rottenator Edited by: Rottenator on 06/03/2009 12:03:00 Originally by: "myself" I have 2 new chars (<900k sp) which have approx. -2M SP for some reason. To characters of mine have <900 sp, though Ceres shows them as having minus two billion something skillpoints. As you can see it's even worse than I thought. ;) edit: Bit of fiddling around it turns out that your Int has collapsed. If I add the number of skillpoints the character has to the absolute value that Ceres gives me, I end up with with the equivalent of 2^31 leaving the 32th bit for the minus ;) Sorry, doesn't really help much. Could you send a copy of the Character Sheet api-page? it's available at http://api.eve-online.com/char/CharacterSheet.xml.aspx?userId=YOURUSERID&apiKey=YOURAPIKEY&characterId=YOURCHARACTERID
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.03.11 13:53:00 - [77] Any Apochribba problems? (Other than new strategic cruiser skills, I know they are missing.) I am intending to push a new version as soon as I get some information on what needs to get fixed and I got the new datadump.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.03.11 14:23:00 - [78] Originally by: KW Mech Everything is working fine for me. Wonderful, btw. There doesn't seem to be an api-method for the skill queue, so there will not be any support for that in Ceres. At least not right now.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.03.12 00:03:00 - [79] Originally by: Ami Nia Originally by: Aurora Morgan There doesn't seem to be an api-method for the skill queue, so there will not be any support for that in Ceres. At least not right now. Not sure it's implemented yet, but you can start coding it in. linky Awesome, missed that one. Just need some cool interface ideas (hint, hint) Originally by: Akasun Edited by: Akasun on 11/03/2009 23:10:09 i'm seeing an attribute value discrepancy between ceres and apocrypha. ceres is showing 13 + eve attributes (incl. +3 implants). is there a way you can convince the game to acknowledge that ceres' knowledge of my attributes is clearly the correct one? So it's 13 above what EVE shows? Odd...
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.03.13 12:36:00 - [80] Edited by: Aurora Morgan on 13/03/2009 12:37:45 Originally by: Rottenator Edited by: Rottenator on 13/03/2009 07:05:55 Originally by: Aurora Morgan Originally by: Akasun i'm seeing an attribute value discrepancy between ceres and apocrypha. ceres is showing 13 + eve attributes (incl. +3 implants). is there a way you can convince the game to acknowledge that ceres' knowledge of my attributes is clearly the correct one? So it's 13 above what EVE shows? Odd... I think it is on the API side and not Ceres, all other API-apps have this too. Thanks, that makes it a bit easier. Maybe it includes skills and implants now? Nope... but one of mine shows awefully high values too.

Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.03.17 14:48:00 - [81] Edited by: Aurora Morgan on 17/03/2009 14:49:22 Originally by: Mesasone I've noticed that when an account's subscription lapses Ceres can't compensate for that when it tries to API check it, and hard crashes. So basically in order to use Ceres without re-entering all my API data for all my accounts I have to reactivate the account and let Ceres check the API for it, there's no way to delete the account from Ceres before it crashes. Loving the app though, eagerly anticipating a skillplanning option. You can remove the database from ~/Application Support/Ceres/ in the mean time. But I can honestly say I never thought about that possibility. You can't access the api of a character that's not in subscription? And about the stats, I have no idea what's going on. It's not only stats, but the API gives faulty skill training times too.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.03.18 11:50:00 - [82] Originally by: Ami Nia Originally by: Aurora Morgan You can't access the api of a character that's not in subscription? Nope. I guess you should test for that case. And for other strage cases (reprocessed character in an otherwise still valid account, for example. Including ... all charcters reprocessed on an account and account empty). If you do not have an expired account I can provide you with the ID and key of one of the many I discontinued (creating a discontinued account is easy but would take you 14 days. Reprocessed characters, on the other hand, are less than a day on any account, even a brand new trial). That would be lovely, could you EVE-mail me the key in game? I don't feel like waiting 14 days to fix it really. Since it should be quite easy.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.03.19 22:32:00 - [83] Originally by: Hegemon Maximus every time i open ceres after downloading screen a new download screen it says "downloaded 0 of 6 files" and another screen pops up saying update automatically? then it say it was unable to download files and will fail to open any help? You're running an old release, please download the 0.0.13.1.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.03.27 14:52:00 - [84] Originally by: Sahga7 Aurora, reading about the new api changes and recently switching to Mac I'm increasingly getting more interested (as a software engineer myself) in developing on Mac and with the eve Api. Is there any change/room for collaborating on this project? Aka, interested in some help? I'm currently graduating in software engineering and have quite some experience in it if you're wondering. You can contact me ingame if you want to Of course Sahga7, everyone is welcome to help. Unfortunatly it's a bit on ice right now (had exams and things). But please join the osx-dev channel in game and we can talk a bit about what you would like to do so we don't do the same thing.
Aurora Morgan	Posted - 2009.04.10 13:43:00 - [85] Originally by: KW Mech Yup, It's a great app, but unfortunately there hasn't been a new release for quite some time. I hope that it hasn't been put on the back burner for too long. Working on it, but the skill queue integration is giving me some problems. And I am currently visiting my family, so not too much time to work on it. But I am working.
Aurora Morgan Stillwater Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.25 11:41:00 - [86] Originally by: Keldeena Perhaps to have it open on a pre-intel machine that you've still got lying around so that you can run it while playing and not have to alt+tab (memory leak) or cmd+tab (lose screen real-estate). That was my guess anyway Probably, and making it a universal binary wasn't hard. I just don't know if there were any endian issues... If someone is interested, there is a "working skillqueue" version in git now. It's just the UI left.
Aurora Morgan Stillwater Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.28 00:38:00 - [87] Originally by: Uberfrau Originally by: Raketefrau Originally by: KW Mech No, works fine for me. Did you happen to delete a character from eve lately. I sent one of my alts to the trash once and Ceres kept crashing on boot. I deleted the files from the Library/Application Support/Ceres directory and let it remake the files and all was good afterwards. I did sell off a character that I was tracking in Ceres, although I haven't deleted any in Eve. I tried what you did, though, and deleted the DB and whatnot. One of my characters works fine. The other one blows up Ceres as soon as I add it. There must be something in his xml that is blowing things up. For the record, I found a fix. I noticed that Evemon showed one of my extra-slot alts at -2m SP. She definitely had positive SP, she's never been podded at all. Then I noticed an API error popping up in outofeve, which led me to further believe that something was mucked up with the API data for this account. So, I logged in that account, logged in the toon with the negative SP, and after DT, everything is fine again. Oh, that's unexpected. There seems to be quite a bit of problems with the API. I should make sure it just ignores such characters.

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